Episode 2
Stocks Lead, Don't Follow - REMIX | Series 10.2
Reminding ourselves how the stock market tends to work, how it is a leading indicator, can be a helpful emotional refresher course.
- The stock market, if you remember is what they call a leading indicator. Basically, what that means is that it acts in advance of what people think is going to happen. (02:27)
- Think the 2008 mortgage crisis or 2020 COVID. There was very little clarity at the time on what was going to happen next. And that uncertainty is what drove the volatility. (03:12)
- So what you can do is really the hardest thing sometimes and that's just not touching it. You are probably reacting off of past information. (05:09)
Quote for the episode: "So if we accept that things are going to move ahead of time, that leading indicator before we will have a chance to generally react, then we can potentially avoid some of the big mistakes that too many investors make by pulling out when things are already low, and generally not adding money back in until things have significantly rebounded, leaving them with much less than they ought to have had, if they just not touched it throughout the ride." (06:03)
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Transcript
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Joseph Okaly:Hello, and welcome to the next series here on the
Joseph Okaly:Enjoy More 30s Family Finance podcast, REMIX for Rising Rates.
Joseph Okaly:In 2022, there have been significant declines across
Joseph Okaly:pretty much every major asset class through October. With
Joseph Okaly:rates rising significantly for the first time in a long time,
Joseph Okaly:it can be a very unnerving experience. This series is going
Joseph Okaly:to attempt to help you with that going back and re-mixing a
Joseph Okaly:number of past episodes to help you emotionally navigate what
Joseph Okaly:have been very turbulent times. Each week, I'll be re mixing a
Joseph Okaly:different episode bringing what I would say is a timeless
Joseph Okaly:concept into the focus of this present day situation. As
Joseph Okaly:always, before I begin, please share in like please leave
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Joseph Okaly:there just like you.
Joseph Okaly:Today's episode is the Stocks Lead, Don't Follow REMIX,
Joseph Okaly:building off of our Unknowns are Scary REMIX from last week,
Joseph Okaly:where we touched on how these words inflation and interest
Joseph Okaly:rates could actually connect to influence your portfolio in the
Joseph Okaly:way that they may have so far this year. Now, when I was a
Joseph Okaly:kid, I really looked up to my older cousins, they would teach
Joseph Okaly:us a lot of really cool interesting things. And some of
Joseph Okaly:those were great; family, unconditional love and support
Joseph Okaly:and then you know others let's say not so much. For example, if
Joseph Okaly:you break the glass in mom's fancy shelf clock, what do you
Joseph Okaly:do? Well, you just take out the glass and you throw it away. Now
Joseph Okaly:it just looks like a really clean clock. You don't get into
Joseph Okaly:trouble. Really excellent advice. We avoided problems from
Joseph Okaly:my mom when we broke her clock for I think it was around 15
Joseph Okaly:years. So anybody out there take that glass out just looks
Joseph Okaly:crystal clean, you just keep going on. However, we also
Joseph Okaly:learned some other tricks from my cousin's like Saran wrap on
Joseph Okaly:the toilet seat as a really funny haha prank. Not funny at
Joseph Okaly:all. Really just a horrible, horrible piece of advice. Pee
Joseph Okaly:all over the floor is not funny. So some well deserved
Joseph Okaly:punishments off of that one.
Joseph Okaly:So circling back around when it comes to stocks, it can be much
Joseph Okaly:the same way, especially during emotional times, like what we're
Joseph Okaly:dealing with right now. There are a lot of saran wrap ideas
Joseph Okaly:out there that could potentially get you into trouble. The stock
Joseph Okaly:market, if you remember is what they call a leading indicator.
Joseph Okaly:Basically, what that means is that it acts in advance of what
Joseph Okaly:people think is going to happen. So if Apple earns say 100
Joseph Okaly:billion in revenue, instead of the expected 110 billion, the
Joseph Okaly:price of the stock subsequently goes down. The company still
Joseph Okaly:made money, so it's not about making money or not making
Joseph Okaly:money, it was already higher than it was because it was
Joseph Okaly:expecting 110 billion of revenue, not 100 billion. That
Joseph Okaly:was that leading indicator, that leading piece of information
Joseph Okaly:that was already baked in. And as you can probably then guess
Joseph Okaly:when they feel like they have no idea what's going to happen
Joseph Okaly:next, so extreme uncertainty, the market tends to drop
Joseph Okaly:dramatically. Think the 2008 mortgage crisis or 2020 COVID.
Joseph Okaly:There was very little clarity at the time on what was going to
Joseph Okaly:happen next. And that uncertainty is what drove the
Joseph Okaly:volatility. Once more clarity returned, who's getting bailed
Joseph Okaly:out, vaccine timelines, what have you for each situation?
Joseph Okaly:That is when it started to reverse course. So how does that
Joseph Okaly:apply to the current situation of 2022? Here we have inflation
Joseph Okaly:and the Fed's reaction to it, which is rising interest rates.
Joseph Okaly:If you want to know why that is the reaction to trying to
Joseph Okaly:control inflation go back into the last episode 10.1 where I
Joseph Okaly:more fully explained it. The "we don't know what's going to
Joseph Okaly:happen next" this time is we don't know when interest rates
Joseph Okaly:will rise enough to bring down inflation to a satisfactory
Joseph Okaly:level according to the Fed.
Joseph Okaly:When the market went down in January to start this year, it
Joseph Okaly:wasn't because companies were now earning less profit, it was
Joseph Okaly:because they said we're raising interest rates and the market
Joseph Okaly:said we think as a leading indicator, where this is
Joseph Okaly:probably going to lead is to less in profits overall. So
Joseph Okaly:again, that leading indicator status. Now if you look in July
Joseph Okaly:what happened, there was some perceived good inflation news.
Joseph Okaly:July 2022, the market went up over 9%. The leading indicator
Joseph Okaly:again in the stock market was saying "hey, we just got some
Joseph Okaly:what we think is pretty good inflation news. We may be over
Joseph Okaly:the hump here" and stocks were bought up again leading what we
Joseph Okaly:think is going to happen in the market. However, in August and
Joseph Okaly:September those sentiments changed course quite a bit and
Joseph Okaly:the market went down over 13% during those two months. So it's
Joseph Okaly:really a great example of how the stock market is trying to
Joseph Okaly:take the current information and projects what that current
Joseph Okaly:information means going forward. Again, that leading indicator
Joseph Okaly:status. So what you can do is really the hardest thing
Joseph Okaly:sometimes and that's just not touching it. You are probably
Joseph Okaly:reacting off of past information. "Hey, everything
Joseph Okaly:just went down, or hey, it all went up." If you react after
Joseph Okaly:hearing this, then you most times are trying to catch the
Joseph Okaly:wave that's already past you towards the shore. If you heard,
Joseph Okaly:for example, that the market went up 9% in July, and then
Joseph Okaly:invested more, well, you would have been greeted with a 13%
Joseph Okaly:loss on that new addition by the end of September.
Joseph Okaly:If you are maintaining a well diversified account, you can
Joseph Okaly:listen to episode 1.6, Investments Should Be Boring if
Joseph Okaly:you need a refresher, then you should be positioned
Joseph Okaly:appropriately for you for the long term. If you have an
Joseph Okaly:advisor using a diversified managed account model like we do
Joseph Okaly:for our clients, they are likely rebalancing through these times
Joseph Okaly:to potentially take advantage of the ups and downs along the way.
Joseph Okaly:So if we accept that things are going to move ahead of time,
Joseph Okaly:that leading indicator before we will have a chance to generally
Joseph Okaly:react, then we can potentially avoid some of the big mistakes
Joseph Okaly:that too many investors make by pulling out when things are
Joseph Okaly:already low, and generally not adding money back in until
Joseph Okaly:things have significantly rebounded, leaving them with
Joseph Okaly:much less than they ought to have had, if they just not
Joseph Okaly:touched it throughout the ride. Again, is seeing your account go
Joseph Okaly:down fun? Absolutely not. It sucks to be quite honest. At the
Joseph Okaly:same time, you want to be making the best decision we can now at
Joseph Okaly:this point in time going forward. So reminding ourselves
Joseph Okaly:how the stock market tends to work, how it is a leading
Joseph Okaly:indicator, can be a really helpful emotional refresher
Joseph Okaly:course. And if we assume that inflation does level out at some
Joseph Okaly:point, that it doesn't just keep going forever that it does have
Joseph Okaly:a stopping point. And at that point, raising interest rates
Joseph Okaly:further wouldn't be necessary. Asking yourself what you think
Joseph Okaly:this leading indicator the stock market may do could very well be
Joseph Okaly:a fair questioning to consider.
Joseph Okaly:And next week's REMIX, You May Already Be a Future Millionaire,
Joseph Okaly:we're going to step back and remember to look at the long
Joseph Okaly:term path we are on. Okay, our counts may be down. But what
Joseph Okaly:does that really mean for us long term? Are we still on track
Joseph Okaly:for our goals? If we're still on track for our goals, shouldn't
Joseph Okaly:we be factoring that into our perspective, so our accounts are
Joseph Okaly:down, but does that mean our goals are no longer attainable?
Joseph Okaly:Or maybe we're still in a very good path to still reach them.
Joseph Okaly:As always, please remember to review and share for others. And
Joseph Okaly:if you need any help, don't hesitate and reaching out. I
Joseph Okaly:probably have helped someone just like you until next week.
Joseph Okaly:Thanks for joining me today and I look forward to connecting
Joseph Okaly:with you again soon.
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